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Flux RSS :: Forum des Myth Drannor - Forums > Général : Sujets : Savage tu es notre maître Forum de la guilde Myth Drannor - DAoC (Hibernia/Brocéliande) - WAR (Athel Loren/Ordre) http://forum.mythdrannor.net fr-standard Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:32:14 +0100 Wed, 02 Jul 2025 04:38:40 +0200 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss MSSTI v0.0.1 - (C) 2008 leviatan21 - http://www.mssti.com/ Copyright : (c) Flux RSS :: Forum des Myth Drannor - Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:32:14 +0100 ulmo@mythdrannor.net (Forum des Myth Drannor) Flux RSS :: Forum des Myth Drannor - Forums > Général : Sujets : Savage tu es notre maître http://forum.mythdrannor.net/styles/Chronicles/imageset/site_logo.gif http://forum.mythdrannor.net 60 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7666&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7666
42 boubou, c'est pas le reduc endu jaune, donc ca risque de moins bien chain les styles MLs sous sprint (reduc endu affecte le sprint)


bise les MDs je suis d'humeur joyeuse today :p

Statistiques : Posté de Graveen • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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42 boubou, c'est pas le reduc endu jaune, donc ca risque de moins bien chain les styles MLs sous sprint (reduc endu affecte le sprint)


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2006-02-12T13:37:42+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7666&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7666
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7655&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7655 LaMainNoire a écrit:
Darelond a écrit:
3s avant que le BG ne se declenche + temps de réaction humain + leger décalage sur TS entre le moment ou ça crie need BG et le moment ou tu entends need BG + lag = l

le twist du bg est instantané si la personne qui est BG ne bouge pas ,il y a juste un timer de 3sec lorsque la personne BG fait un deplacement

Statistiques : Posté de niirti • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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LaMainNoire a écrit:
Darelond a écrit:
3s avant que le BG ne se declenche + temps de réaction humain + leger décalage sur TS entre le moment ou ça crie need BG et le moment ou tu entends need BG + lag = l

le twist du bg est instantané si la personne qui est BG ne bouge pas ,il y a juste un timer de 3sec lorsque la personne BG fait un deplacement]]>
2006-02-11T12:10:51+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7655&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7655
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7646&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7646 Darelond a écrit:
j'aimerai bien la voir d'abord dans l'assist tank, puis de revenir BG si necessaire.


Malheureusement la senti se fait plutot engueuler quand on la voit dans l'assist car le retour en BG personne y croit et pour cause: 3s avant que le BG ne se declenche + temps de réaction humain + leger décalage sur TS entre le moment ou ça crie need BG et le moment ou tu entends need BG + lag = l'assist adverse en est à sa troisième cible quand tu arrives...

Statistiques : Posté de LaMainNoire • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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Darelond a écrit:
j'aimerai bien la voir d'abord dans l'assist tank, puis de revenir BG si necessaire.


Malheureusement la senti se fait plutot engueuler quand on la voit dans l'assist car le retour en BG personne y croit et pour cause: 3s avant que le BG ne se declenche + temps de réaction humain + leger décalage sur TS entre le moment ou ça crie need BG et le moment ou tu entends need BG + lag = l'assist adverse en est à sa troisième cible quand tu arrives...]]>
2006-02-10T20:07:00+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7646&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7646
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7642&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7642

Statistiques : Posté de Arsenicoss • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7638&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7638 Darelond a écrit:
- Utilité offensive dans une assist tank pour slam la cible


Je m'auto quote hein :)

Personellement je voie la ligne boubou comme un upoffensif de la senti. J'ai jamais vraiment considéré le boubou comme défensif en rvr (le gard bloque pas énormement non plus en rvr, étant donné le WS des mecs en face, et surtout le...

Statistiques : Posté de Darelond • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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Darelond a écrit:
- Utilité offensive dans une assist tank pour slam la cible


Je m'auto quote hein :)

Personellement je voie la ligne boubou comme un upoffensif de la senti. J'ai jamais vraiment considéré le boubou comme défensif en rvr (le gard bloque pas énormement non plus en rvr, étant donné le WS des mecs en face, et surtout le...]]>
2006-02-10T16:33:16+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7638&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7638
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7636&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7636 Que faire ? nerfer les spé ofensives des t...

Statistiques : Posté de LaMainNoire • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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Que faire ? nerfer les spé ofensives des t...]]> 2006-02-10T15:32:11+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7636&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7636
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7635&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7635 Statistiques : Posté de Darelond • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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2006-02-10T14:05:25+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7635&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7635
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7627&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7627 mais va VRAIMENT faloir que j'arrete avec les teintures... :p

Statistiques : Posté de Nienna • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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mais va VRAIMENT faloir que j'arrete avec les teintures... :p]]> 2006-02-10T11:53:28+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7627&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7627
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7626&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7626 Darelond a écrit:
Maintenant j'imagine bien l'asssit tank ennemie avec 2 tank ... la senti slam le 1er, grapple le 2nd ... et le pbae qui est BG se fait plaisir :)



Moi Moi Moi svp :)

Statistiques : Posté de Satelite • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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Darelond a écrit:
Maintenant j'imagine bien l'asssit tank ennemie avec 2 tank ... la senti slam le 1er, grapple le 2nd ... et le pbae qui est BG se fait plaisir :)



Moi Moi Moi svp :)]]>
2006-02-10T11:42:19+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7626&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7626
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7625&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7625
C'est clair que la senti à gagné en polivalence avec le bouclier :
- Gard pour completer le BG pour les 3 sec de la mise en place du BG
- Gain défensif pour la survie de la senti face à l'assist tank, et donc survie de la personne BG
- Utilité offensive dans une assist tank pour slam la cible


Maintenant j'imagine bien l'asssit tank ennemie avec 2 tank ... la senti slam le 1er, grapple le 2nd ... et le pbae qui est BG se f...

Statistiques : Posté de Darelond • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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C'est clair que la senti à gagné en polivalence avec le bouclier :
- Gard pour completer le BG pour les 3 sec de la mise en place du BG
- Gain défensif pour la survie de la senti face à l'assist tank, et donc survie de la personne BG
- Utilité offensive dans une assist tank pour slam la cible


Maintenant j'imagine bien l'asssit tank ennemie avec 2 tank ... la senti slam le 1er, grapple le 2nd ... et le pbae qui est BG se f...]]>
2006-02-10T11:38:22+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7625&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7625
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7623&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7623 Darelond a écrit:
Pour continuer sur les senti, aujourd'hui sortent lesnotes de version 1.82G

- Accès à maitre blocage pour les senti


Mais surtout, le truc qui me fait envie : le buff reduction des cout d'endu du moine devient un buff de groupe :? ... enorme up du moine quand même qui acquière définitivement sa place
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Statistiques : Posté de helkamarion • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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Darelond a écrit:
Pour continuer sur les senti, aujourd'hui sortent lesnotes de version 1.82G

- Accès à maitre blocage pour les senti


Mais surtout, le truc qui me fait envie : le buff reduction des cout d'endu du moine devient un buff de groupe :? ... enorme up du moine quand même qui acquière définitivement sa place
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2006-02-10T11:05:50+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7623&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7623
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7622&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7622 notes de version 1.82G

- Accès à maitre blocage pour les senti


Mais surtout, le truc qui me fait envie : le buff reduction des cout d'endu du moine devient un buff de groupe :? ... enorme up du moine quand même qui acquière définitivement...

Statistiques : Posté de Darelond • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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notes de version 1.82G

- Accès à maitre blocage pour les senti


Mais surtout, le truc qui me fait envie : le buff reduction des cout d'endu du moine devient un buff de groupe :? ... enorme up du moine quand même qui acquière définitivement...]]>
2006-02-10T09:38:16+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7622&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7622
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7308&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7308 Statistiques : Posté de Arsenicoss • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7288&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7288


sinon, gros up, trop même !

malgré tout, ca veut dire que les reduc endus deviennent jaune et que le chain vide-mana ou vide-endu est fini, a mon sens senti devient moins offensive. sprint + ffa drain mana ca va necessité des ras passives, ainsi que MoB (car je suppose que la se...

Statistiques : Posté de Graveen • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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sinon, gros up, trop même !

malgré tout, ca veut dire que les reduc endus deviennent jaune et que le chain vide-mana ou vide-endu est fini, a mon sens senti devient moins offensive. sprint + ffa drain mana ca va necessité des ras passives, ainsi que MoB (car je suppose que la se...]]>
2006-01-28T15:57:36+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7288&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7288
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7287&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7287
Ca permet d'avoir le slam, et garder le reduc endu jaune..

Statistiques : Posté de Nicox • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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Ca permet d'avoir le slam, et garder le reduc endu jaune..]]>
2006-01-28T12:57:08+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7287&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7287
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7279&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7279 Statistiques : Posté de Arsenicoss • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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2006-01-27T19:02:42+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7279&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7279
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7278&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7278 Statistiques : Posté de Shandess • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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2006-01-27T18:15:09+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7278&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7278
http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7274&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7274 :lol: deja que senti etait bien bien solide, qu'elle bloque/pare pas mal sans rien, alors la avec la spec boubou Oo ... sa va ouinouin sur jol ;);)...

Statistiques : Posté de helkamarion • le Ven Jan 27, 2006 10:22 • Réponses 20 • Vus 7201


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Warden

- The PBAE heal procs added in 1.82c have been moved to the Warden Nurture line.

- Wardens are now granted 1.8 spec points per level.

- Wardens are now able to specialize in Shield.

- Due to the addition of a skill line to Wardens, all Wardens will have their skill points refunded upon login to respec accordingly with the new allotted points and shield skill line.



Abusé, mais là on s'incline BT+Bouclard+ML adios là voilà notre classe GOD MODE ...]]>
2006-01-27T10:22:24+01:00 http://forum.mythdrannor.net/./viewtopic.php?p=7267&sid=757650fc0a459f9afa80cd1d9f2c17dc#p7267